Fight! GXR A12 28/2.5 vs. GF2 14/2.5 vs. DP1x 28/4

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Re: Fight! GXR A12 28/2.5 vs. GF2 14/2.5 vs. DP1x 28/4

Postby odklizec » Fri Mar 23, 2012 9:46 am

CHICHORNIO wrote:Thanks for answering my post! I think we are in the same train... but... Why Ricoh don´t release a "GXR-like" as a new GRD V camera with a fixed "normal" lens and a medium size sensor?
Well, what do you consider to be a "medium size sensor"?...APSC? I'm afraid, it's impossible to pack the APSC into the GRD-sized body, especially not if it should maintain its fast and nearly distortion free 28/1.9 lens. It's simply physically and technically impossible. And I'm afraid, there is no commercially available sensor with size just between the currently used 1/1.7" in GRDIV and APSC in GXR modules. Even if they could buy 4/3 from Oly/Pana or let's say smaller 1" sensor from Nikon, it would still require much larger body and especially larger lens, to keep the fast aperture and nearly distortion free design. Check for example the upcoming DP1m and its 28/2.8 lens size...
http://www.dpreview.com/products/sigma/ ... sigma_dp1m
Now consider how big lens would be required for the GRD with APSC and more than 1EV stop faster 28/1.9 lens! In one word - BIG! ;) This is also why the X1 starts at 35/2.8, or existing DP1 at 28/4. And BTW, Sigma's Foveon is even a bit smaller than the APSC used in Ricoh/Leica cameras!

In other words, Ricoh already "did" what you are asking for. It's just called GXR + A12 28mm module. It's basically the GRD-like camera with larger sensor and noticeably improved output over the GRD. But yes, it's probably a bit too large if one is accustomed to the GRD size? Life is not an easy thing ;)
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Re: Fight! GXR A12 28/2.5 vs. GF2 14/2.5 vs. DP1x 28/4

Postby streetshooter » Fri Mar 23, 2012 12:15 pm

CHICHORNIO wrote:
streetshooter wrote:The thing is, in 10 years, the GXR will still be a great camera.
I love the GRD's, I have a few. I like the gritty files from them.
The thing is, the magic of the GXR is that it allows you to reconfigure the camera to a new way your thinking.


Well, you could be right... But I´m 45 years old, and I can´t wait too long to show the "world" (it could be just me!) what I´m trying to do with my pictures. I want IQ pictures in the 35-50mm range in a camera that I can put in my pocket. Am I asking too much? Come on Ricoh, you can do it!


That's the problem with youth. You guys have no patience. At 63 I've learned all good things come in time.
In the meantime, the best thing is right in front of us as Pavel also stated, the GXR.
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Re: Fight! GXR A12 28/2.5 vs. GF2 14/2.5 vs. DP1x 28/4

Postby MarcusEyre1 » Fri Mar 23, 2012 12:53 pm

Beg to differ streetshooter! IMHO patience comes usually with attitude and understanding, not necessarily age.....I've met quite a few impatient oldies in my time... :shock:
At 49 and having spent 17 years working with kids under 5, patience had to be learned a long time ago! :lol:
Agree with you totally re: GXR though...... ;)
And all things may come in time, good or not so good... :D
BTW No offence intended whatsoever! ;)
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Re: Fight! GXR A12 28/2.5 vs. GF2 14/2.5 vs. DP1x 28/4

Postby streetshooter » Fri Mar 23, 2012 1:55 pm

Marcus , I have no patience for you....

Just kidding..... Your right of course, just ask my wife, friends, family, collectors, galleries and anyone else...
All will agree with you....
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Re: Fight! GXR A12 28/2.5 vs. GF2 14/2.5 vs. DP1x 28/4

Postby CHICHORNIO » Fri Mar 23, 2012 2:51 pm

odklizec wrote: In other words, Ricoh already "did" what you are asking for. It's just called GXR + A12 28mm module. It's basically the GRD-like camera with larger sensor and noticeably improved output over the GRD. But yes, it's probably a bit too large if one is accustomed to the GRD size? Life is not an easy thing ;)

I´m not a technical expert in sensor sizes or optics, that´s why I´m asking for your advice. A 28mm (35mm format) it´s a wide angle for my style of shooting. I would prefer a 35-45mm range (not A12 50mm macro, too tele). My "dream come true" combo will be something like this (it´s a Frankestein you may say):
1. GRD body (could be a little bigger but not too much)
2. Fixed 35-45mm range prime lens with a of 2.0 F aperture or 2.4
3. ASP-C sensor or some "new" sensor that could be fit in the GRD body (why not buying the 46mp Foveon? :P
4. Of course, all the Ricoh´s interface and build quality
Am I asking too much?
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Re: Fight! GXR A12 28/2.5 vs. GF2 14/2.5 vs. DP1x 28/4

Postby streetshooter » Fri Mar 23, 2012 3:27 pm

Basically your camera, (maybe not dream) would be the X100.
It fits what you spec'd out and the new firmware gives the raw button some freedom.
Great street camera....
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Re: Fight! GXR A12 28/2.5 vs. GF2 14/2.5 vs. DP1x 28/4

Postby CHICHORNIO » Fri Mar 23, 2012 4:56 pm

streetshooter wrote:Basically your camera, (maybe not dream) would be the X100.
It fits what you spec'd out and the new firmware gives the raw button some freedom.
Great street camera....

Yeap, I was thinking a lot about the X100 a couple months ago...but the the DP2 Merrill with it´s 46mp is on the way...It´s hard to take a decision, after seeing what the foveon files delivers. The DP2s it´s hard to manage, specially because the AF, but the RAW files of the Foveon up to 100 ISO are unbeatable! Unfortunately I don´t have the chance to try them here in my country, not even the luck to see one, so my decision it´s harder than everybody else. I´ll be waiting for the reviews of the DP2 Merrill and maybe a side by side comparision with the X100 and the GXR plus the A12 50mm. Thanks a lot!
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Re: Fight! GXR A12 28/2.5 vs. GF2 14/2.5 vs. DP1x 28/4

Postby streetshooter » Fri Mar 23, 2012 5:08 pm

Understood. I also have a sleeping passion for the DP cameras.
Unfortunately I get up to 3200 a lot. That realm is where the GXR wakes up and other cameras nod off to sleep....
Good luck with the Merrill.
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Re: Fight! GXR A12 28/2.5 vs. GF2 14/2.5 vs. DP1x 28/4

Postby streetshooter » Fri Mar 23, 2012 5:19 pm

Oh.....the X100. I sold mine and posted it was because I needed money. I was admin at a hot forum and if I post, it's taken for gospel. Anyway, The issue I had was the finder,
No, not the finders but using them. I have an aversion to a camera hiding my face on the street. Actually, anytime I make images.
So the X100 lost the battle against many cameras but was sold due to the pure simple pleasure the GXR brought me.
If you like using a finder, can live with a single FOV of 35mm, the X100 can't be beat even by the GXR.
I've seen some for sale in my area for like $725.00 USD.
What a steal.....
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Re: Fight! GXR A12 28/2.5 vs. GF2 14/2.5 vs. DP1x 28/4

Postby CHICHORNIO » Fri Mar 23, 2012 6:42 pm

streetshooter wrote:f you like using a finder, can live with a single FOV of 35mm, the X100 can't be beat even by the GXR.


Well, because the slow contrast AF the Sigma DP2s has, I´ve found a tournaround. I do like using a viewfinder. Actually I have the ultrabright 40mm Voitglander VF and I do not use the LCD screen of my Sigma (only to check my shots) But I´ve only used it in very bright days (the picture I posted was taken that way) using AF, VF, LCD off and listening to the sound of the camera telling me that I focused my target. On night shots, I only use the LCD screen and manual focus. I would like to know if the new DP2 Merrill get an improvement in AF.
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