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GXR P10 vs. CX4 vs. CX3 vs. CX2

Postby odklizec » Thu Oct 14, 2010 12:11 am

At the end of last week, I received P10 and CX4 and since then I'm taking photos with them and working on some comparisons. Here are some first crops.

First 28mm crops. All cameras were set to Standard settings and Spot AF.
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p10_cx4_cx3_cx2_rtop_corner.png
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As you can see, P10 appears to deliver sharpest photos and best corner performance at 28mm. Although the P10 lens construction (number of lenses, coating and positions) should be similar or the same as CX3/4 lens, it's evident that the lens assembly is different. In my opinion, it also explain why the P10 module is much thicker than CX body? This not only allows to start the P10 faster than CX (because of less time required to extend the lens) but it also noticeably improves the corner sharpness. At least at the wide end ;)

I'm not quite sure about 300mm comparison. As you can see below, the P10 crops look a bit less sharp than CX4. I think it's caused by Spot AF where the P10 shot was slightly front focused. I will probably redo this comparison with all cameras set to Infinity.
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p10_cx4_cx3_cx2_tele_lbottom_corner.png
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Below you can check the colors (all cameras were set to Daylight WB) and overall exposure. P10 and CX4 are very close to reality. CX3 is surprisingly most overexposed at more or less the same shutter speed.
28mm
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P10 DNG
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EXIF-Data
Image taken on: Tue Oct 12, 2010 3:30 pm
Focus length: 4.9 mm
Shutter speed: 1/810 Sec
F-number: F/3.5
ISO speed rating: 100
Whitebalance: Manual
Flash: Flash did not fire, compulsory flash mode
Camera-model: GXR P10
Exposure program: Normal program
Exposure bias: -3/10 EV
Metering mode: Center-weighted average

R1099507_sm.jpg
P10 JPEG
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EXIF-Data
Image taken on: Tue Oct 12, 2010 3:30 pm
Focus length: 4.9 mm
Shutter speed: 1/810 Sec
F-number: F/3.5
ISO speed rating: 100
Whitebalance: Manual
Flash: Flash did not fire, compulsory flash mode
Camera-model: GXR P10
Exposure program: Normal program
Exposure bias: -3/10 EV
Metering mode: Center-weighted average

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CX4
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EXIF-Data
Image taken on: Tue Oct 12, 2010 4:16 pm
Focus length: 4.9 mm
Shutter speed: 1/810 Sec
F-number: F/3.5
ISO speed rating: 100
Whitebalance: Manual
Flash: Flash did not fire, compulsory flash mode
Camera-model: CX4
Exposure program: Normal program
Exposure bias: -3/10 EV
Metering mode: Center-weighted average

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CX3
R0012651_sm.jpg (554.36 KiB) Viewed 10580 times

EXIF-Data
Image taken on: Tue Oct 12, 2010 4:15 pm
Focus length: 4.9 mm
Shutter speed: 1/870 Sec
F-number: F/3.5
ISO speed rating: 100
Whitebalance: Manual
Flash: Flash did not fire, compulsory flash mode
Camera-model: CX3
Exposure program: Normal program
Exposure bias: -3/10 EV
Metering mode: Center-weighted average

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CX2
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EXIF-Data
Image taken on: Tue Oct 12, 2010 4:10 pm
Focus length: 4.9 mm
Shutter speed: 1/870 Sec
F-number: F/3.5
ISO speed rating: 100
Whitebalance: Manual
Flash: Flash did not fire, compulsory flash mode
Camera-model: CX2
Exposure program: Normal program
Exposure bias: -3/10 EV
Metering mode: Center-weighted average


300mm
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P10 DNG
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EXIF-Data
Image taken on: Tue Oct 12, 2010 3:29 pm
Focus length: 52.5 mm
Shutter speed: 1/570 Sec
F-number: F/5.6
ISO speed rating: 100
Whitebalance: Manual
Flash: Flash did not fire, compulsory flash mode
Camera-model: GXR P10
Exposure program: Normal program
Exposure bias: -7/10 EV
Metering mode: Center-weighted average

R1099505_sm.jpg
P10 JPEG
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EXIF-Data
Image taken on: Tue Oct 12, 2010 3:29 pm
Focus length: 52.5 mm
Shutter speed: 1/570 Sec
F-number: F/5.6
ISO speed rating: 100
Whitebalance: Manual
Flash: Flash did not fire, compulsory flash mode
Camera-model: GXR P10
Exposure program: Normal program
Exposure bias: -7/10 EV
Metering mode: Center-weighted average

R1061207_sm.jpg
CX4
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EXIF-Data
Image taken on: Tue Oct 12, 2010 4:17 pm
Focus length: 52.5 mm
Shutter speed: 1/540 Sec
F-number: F/5.6
ISO speed rating: 100
Whitebalance: Manual
Flash: Flash did not fire, compulsory flash mode
Camera-model: CX4
Exposure program: Normal program
Exposure bias: -3/10 EV
Metering mode: Center-weighted average

R0012653_sm.jpg
CX3
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EXIF-Data
Image taken on: Tue Oct 12, 2010 4:16 pm
Focus length: 52.5 mm
Shutter speed: 1/620 Sec
F-number: F/5.6
ISO speed rating: 100
Whitebalance: Manual
Flash: Flash did not fire, compulsory flash mode
Camera-model: CX3
Exposure program: Normal program
Exposure bias: -3/10 EV
Metering mode: Center-weighted average

RIMG0007_sm.jpg
CX2
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EXIF-Data
Image taken on: Tue Oct 12, 2010 4:11 pm
Focus length: 52.5 mm
Shutter speed: 1/540 Sec
F-number: F/5.6
ISO speed rating: 100
Whitebalance: Manual
Flash: Flash did not fire, compulsory flash mode
Camera-model: CX2
Exposure program: Normal program
Exposure bias: -3/10 EV
Metering mode: Center-weighted average


I will upload full resolution shots tomorrow.
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Re: GXR P10 vs. CX4 vs. CX3 vs. CX2

Postby erizoclick » Thu Oct 14, 2010 4:34 pm

I usually developed my photos with Adobe Lightroom and this study has made me a lot of tracks when prefixed my settings on my GXR. Thank you, thank you very much to heart

Yo generalmente termino revelando mis imágenes con Adobe Lightroom y este estudio que has realizado me da muchas pistas a la hora de prefijar mis ajustes en mi GXR. Gracias, muchas gracias de corazón
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Re: GXR P10 vs. CX4 vs. CX3 vs. CX2

Postby odklizec » Thu Oct 14, 2010 11:48 pm

I'm glad you found it useful ;) In any case, I will probably redo it. At least the tele part. As I expected, the P10 was not very well focused and it looks worse than it actually is.

Here is a quick glimpse of difference if focused at infinity:
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previous test:
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and again corner (Infinity):
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and previous:
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It's evident that the Infinity focus helped with sharpness of P10 module. So if the light will be OK tomorrow, I will redo the test with all cameras set to Infinity. Just to make the test more valid and consistent.
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Re: GXR P10 vs. CX4 vs. CX3 vs. CX2

Postby waloszek » Fri Oct 15, 2010 8:22 am

Hi Pavel,
Thanks for your interesting test! Regrettably, my wife's CX1 is missing from the test but is goes only up to 200mm at tele...
On course, I am glad that the P10 seems to be in the lead.
I am not quite sure whether my memory is correct, but sometimes I found the results somewhat fuzzy when distance was set to infinity with our diverse Ricohs - but I may be wrong...
I would also like to remind you of our e-mail exchange regarding EXIF data ;)
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Re: GXR P10 vs. CX4 vs. CX3 vs. CX2

Postby odklizec » Fri Oct 15, 2010 9:38 am

Hi Gerd,

I seriously thought about including CX1 in this test. But in the end, I decided against it, just because of shorter focal length. It's enough painful to compare 4 cameras at their min/max focal lengths ;) To make the test with CX1 fair, I would have to do another set of photos at 200mm from all 5 cameras :shock: I remember some problems with Infinity focus in case of GX100 and GRDI. The weather does not look very good today. I probably missed my chance to repeat this test with nice Autumn sun.

BTW, as of EXIF data, I made a great progress with identifying some extra tags ;) I identified all obvious tags, but there is still number of tags that changes with every shot and I cannot identify them.
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Re: GXR P10 vs. CX4 vs. CX3 vs. CX2

Postby waloszek » Fri Oct 15, 2010 11:23 am

Hi Pavel,
Thanks for your reply! My EXIF reminder was primarily meant as a tip that you might use them to check the distances that the P10 and all the other cameras had selected when you did the tele shots (you assumed that the P10 was "off"). But I am also glad to read that you made a lot of progress in identifyinng the tags (I did not want to be too specific in my reminder...).
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Re: GXR P10 vs. CX4 vs. CX3 vs. CX2

Postby odklizec » Fri Oct 15, 2010 12:14 pm

Yes Gerd, I checked the distance also in EXIF ;) It was not THAT off in case of P10 but as proved by yesterday quick test with Infinity focus, it was enough off to make the P10 result softer. What's your general experience with P10 Spot AF? I found it often "hit or miss" at distances above 28mm.
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Re: GXR P10 vs. CX4 vs. CX3 vs. CX2

Postby waloszek » Fri Oct 15, 2010 2:22 pm

I have to admit that I use multi-AF and only rarely spot AF on the P10... However, multi-AF is often distracted by objects in the foreground when I take landscape photos (which I always forget - so I see it in the photos, but that's too late...). All in all, I have no reportable experience with spot AF on the P10.
I used spot AF on the A12 for a while but wasn't really convinced. Somehow, I find myself always returning to multi-AF - maybe just by automatic habits...
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Re: GXR P10 vs. CX4 vs. CX3 vs. CX2

Postby Schaki » Fri Oct 15, 2010 6:58 pm

The P10 with DNG seems to have a clear edge here. However what surpirses me is the sample variation of that zoom. The CX2 is for most of the time noticably softer than the CX3 and CX4.
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Re: GXR P10 vs. CX4 vs. CX3 vs. CX2

Postby odklizec » Fri Oct 15, 2010 7:47 pm

I'm not surprised by the CX2 softness. CX2 uses much stronger noise reduction "successfully" killing all fine details. Starting from CX3, Ricoh added an option to turn the NR OFF. It still does certain NR processing, but it's much lighter than the hardwired CX2 NR. This and the adoption of new BIS CMOS (since CX3) definitely helped with details.
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