List of GRD2/GRD differences

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List of GRD2/GRD differences

Postby odklizec » Wed Dec 19, 2007 12:15 pm

What's new/changed in GRD2:

Exterior:
Camera ON/OFF button is more sunken in the camera body. It's now harder to turn the camera accidentally ON in your pocket. This often happened to GRD users, which lead to broken lens mechanism.

The power button now has a small green led light. Some people may dislike it, but generally, it's nicer to look than just green painted button. And one can always stick something over it ;)

Settings1/Settings2 switch is now on the mode dial. It's great for fast switching between the custom settings (without the need to go to menu). Great improvement!

LCD is much brighter, with great viewing angles and much less "noise" artifacts if focusing (mainly in poorly lit room).

GRD2 is now a very silent camera! The GRD is loud at start and mainly during focusing, which is very disturbing and make the people to search for a source of noise.

Battery is now secured in the battery compartment by a small retention clip. I already dropped the battery from GRD because I forgot there is no such clip ;)

Battery door now has a little spring, so you don't want to turn the camera down to be able to open the door.

There are two rubber anti-slippage "buttons" on the camera bottom plate. GRD has only one (GX100 none).

Operation
Significantly faster RAW writing. Yes, it still takes about 3.5 secs from pressing the shutter to complete write RAW + JPEG. However, thanks to a dual writing buffer, you can now take another RAW shot almost immediately after taking previous! There is only a little delay required (about 1sec) to be able to use the camera after previous RAW shot.

Because of the larger writing buffer, you can now take "unlimited" number of JPEG shots (limited only by a card size) with constant speed 2.3fps. With GRD you can take only 4 JPEG shots at 2.7fps and then the speed drops to 0.8fps.

The high ISO images appears to be cleaner in RAW. ISO800 from GRD2 is like ISO400 from GRD. And there does not appear to be any (visible) RAW NR applied.

Auto WB (and WB as such) is greatly improved in GRD2! I'm now using GRD2 almost all the time in Auto WB and it works flawlessly. GRD WB is not that precise and it's better to switch the GRD WB modes.

Flash accuracy and usability is improved too, although I'm not using the flash much ;) The number of overexposed flash shots is significantly lower. And even thought the GRD now also has the option to manually adjust the Flash power, form time to time it just doesn't work or doesn't work well?

You can hold and review the picture on the screen right after taking it, zoom it or even delete it. This is a nice workflow improvement over the GRD.

Auto ISO can be limited to ISO 200, 400, 800 and 1600. I believe the max auto ISO in GRD is below 400?

Orientation sensor. Nice little addition which auto-rotates the pictures in preview mode but most importantly, set the correct orientation flag in the image Exif! Most of good image editors and viewers can auto-rotate the images to their correct orientation.

Electronic level. Some people say it's just a gimmick. I have to disagree with that. Sure, you can fix the image level in the image editor. But remember that any image rotation degrades the image quality and you will have to crop the image after rotation! I have the level permanently ON and it's very useful option!

GRD advantages over GRD2:
GRD does much lower NR in JPEG. This is very good and important for postprocessing. The lower NR level gave the GRD pics a very special look, for which is GRD sought by many artists. The GRD2 now applies strong NR even with NR set to OFF and in my humble opinion, it breaks the famous GRD look. The effect of NR is mainly visible in dark parts of the photo and large areas of the same color without much details.
If you use mainly JPEG, the GRD2 is probably not the best choice for you. I really hope there will be a firmware fix for this, which will allow us to turn the NR completely OFF.

GRD2 now applies strong NR in continuous mode, ignoring the actual NR setting. In other words, even if you set the GRD2 NR to OFF, in continuous mode it's always ON. GRD level of JPEG NR seems to be about the same in single or continuous mode, which is very low. I also hope for a firmware fix for this, because the permanent NR makes the continuous mode virtually useless. This problem is fixed in FW 1.12.

Sound note to picture and Sound Recording mode is gone from GRD2. It would be rally interesting to know why? Both microphone and speaker is still there and you can still record sound with movies. So why not with pictures or just record the sound?

GRD2 cannot use full range of apertures/shutter speeds. f2.4 is for example limited to 1/800. In GRD you can set f2.4 to 1/2000.

GRD function buttons are matte, while GRD2 buttons are glossy. The matte buttons looks definitely nicer and more exclusive. The glossy GRD2 buttons looks like from a very cheap camera.

GRD Adj wheel is much faster to use than the GRD2 lever. It's especially visible in M mode, where the Adj lever is dedicated to shutter speed. And the lever definitely slows down the shutter speed setting.

Phase detection AF. It's another mystery why was the passive focus removed from GRD2 (probably a price cut?). It's a pity because it's visible faster under good lightning conditions. But it's important to say, that the GRD2 CCD based AF seems to be faster in poor lightning conditions! The GRD always starts with passive AF, and if there is not enough light, camera switches to CCD based AF (which is significantly slower in case of GRD).
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Re: List of GRD2/GRD differences

Postby thinacme » Mon Dec 24, 2007 7:54 pm

I started using my new GRD2 this morning, and I've noticed two other differences that are bugging me a little.

The GRD would allow you to take several pictures in a row by holding the shutter release halfway between pictures. This would lock the focus and exposure across all the shots. The GRD2 requires you to release all pressure before taking a second picture, which means refocusing between shots if you're in AF mode.

Maybe that's just a sign that I should be using Continuous mode in those circumstances.

The other thing I'm missing was the behavior with the display turned off - on the GRD, you could set it up so that pressing halfway on the shutter release would turn the display back on to show you an image preview. This doesn't seem to be possible with the GRD2.

I wouldn't be surprised if I'm missing settings for either of these, but I haven't found anything yet. And neither of these is a big deal for me when weighed against the other advantages of the GRD2.
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Re: List of GRD2/GRD differences

Postby odklizec » Tue Dec 25, 2007 4:38 pm

Hi thinacme and welcome here! I don't have GRD with me right now, but I don't remember any of these two features. As far as I remember, GRD has a dedicated "Quick Review" button (current FN), which allows you to show the last taken pic. If you mean that, then yes, this feature is now gone (replaced by FN button functionality). Maybe the "Quick Preview" should be just another configurable option for FN button?
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Re: List of GRD2/GRD differences

Postby thinacme » Wed Dec 26, 2007 6:16 pm

Thanks for the warm welcome! I've been lurking here for a little while.

I'm very pleased with the new image review behavior, especially now that we get another button (FN) that can be bound to other tasks. The GRD was always a little inconsistent with what could be done with Quick Review versus going into the Play functionality, and putting it all on the Play button allows us to compare the last photo with others in the image history. The new Hold option matches my SLR's behavior, so I'm trying that out for a bit.

The feature I mentioned as missing from the GRD was an image preview feature. I would keep my display off for battery savings and stealth, but when I was ready to take a picture and pushed the shutter release halfway, the screen would come back on. It seemed like the perfect behavior for street photography.

Anyway, it's not a big deal. I'll just be switching between display on and off more manually.

My overall impression of the GRD2 is extremely positive. The only thing I'd really like to see changed is the heavy-handed noise reduction, but I think enough has been said about that at this point.
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Re: List of GRD2/GRD differences

Postby Gyl » Sat Dec 31, 2011 4:39 pm

Thanks for these explanations...
The best solution is GRD I and GRD II both, on in B&W and one in color, always already to shoot, isn't it ?
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